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Copy Protecting a DVD created in Liquid

Here's a Link in the Avid Liquid Forum

Bottom line so far - probably too expensive to do

With that being said - I contacted a local company that sends DVD's out for duplication - minimumn order is 1000 DVD's - and he inquired about having Macrovision and CSS encryption added - and it was an extra $300 for CSS or an extra $400 for Macrovision - and you did not have to send a DLT - just your finished DVD -R disk.

And not only that - the whole cost (less any protection) was right at $2 a disk for a production of 1000 disks - and that includes amaray case, printing on DVD, printing for amaray case, and shrink wrap on final product.

One way of doing it - requires production of a Glass Master - then obtaining Macovision license and burning at a Macovision Dealer - using ACP-DVD process for analog protection AND RipGuard DVD process.for Digital protection. Even then they do not guarantee that it can't be ripped.

jimbucc

Posted: Jun 13, 2005 - 06:01 New! Link to Thread

Liquid's DVD creation does not allow copy protection. I believe Ulead DVD Workshop 2 does allow you to copy protect DVDs.

As for partitioning drives you can create the DVD normally without burning. This will create the files you need for the DVD. Then create another folder with the PC files. You will need some other program to burn the files to DVD - like Nero.

Jim

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Yari

Posted: Jun 13, 2005 - 04:43

I'm a Studio 9 user, and I'm on the Studio 9 forum. But i'm getting into some new areas concerning some proejcts I'm might be working on and I have a few questions to see if Liquid could answers these.

1) can you copy protect your produciton with liquid?
2) Can you "partition" your DVD with some part movie, and another part PC. So you can play the movie in a DVD player, but if you put the DVD disk in a PC, more content is accesable. Can Liquid do this?

Bob Kennedy	Posted: May 10, 2005 - 04:16 Link to Thread Gaday guys- I live in Australia and I run a business where we film a variation to the American version of a music program called Weekend Warriors. Pirating initially was a bit of a problem and to be quite honest really pissed me. A guy suggested an idea to minimize it and initially I laughed at it, but I gave it a go and believe it or not it has made people more honest. It won't stop everyone but it definetly HAS proved that it has some effect so if you're willing to read on I'll share this simple idea and leave the judgement up to you ok. Macrovision won't stop anyone with an ounce of computer knowledge but if you give them a reasonable option to get a legal copy at a reasonable price you will be surprised at the results. Here's what we did. We added a pirating warning (like everyone does) a tthe start of the DVD. Then we added a note to say that self cut legal copies can be obtained at a minimal royalty charge. I can hear you all laughing from over here now, but from the very first DVD after inception of the idea I was receiving phone calls asking what cost to cut 10 copies for themselves. Here's what you do- Print a note on the original DVD's saying these words- "Original only if this Disc bears the Producers signature". It means you have to physically sign each disk under the printed declaration with a CD/DVD fine permanent marker. Then give the disk a serial number. This acts as personal watermark on that disk. If they scan the disc to print it- the signature will show as a scan. This process also cathes a pirate out with the serial number as well for legal evidence if you ever have to take anyone to court with proof. On your DVD intro screen you place a notice saying words to the effect that you can obtain legal copying permission by payment of a small royalty and display you contact details. All the original disks bear serial numbers begining with the letter O (for original) and the serial number you issue- e.g. 001- whatever. When someone contacts you for thier authority to copy you issue them a Number beginning with the prefix C (for copy) and a serial number- which you record in a ledger. It's up to you what you want to charge for the right to copy but keep it reasonable and at least you will get something for the extra copies you would have only had pirated. I didn't think it'd work but if you make your warning for pirating savage and state you WILL prosecute offenders, and the fact that I only asked $5AUS per copy to gain permission (Per disc), I got over 25 copies registered and no loss in purchases of my originals for sale (going on past sales trends). I look at it like this- I got 125 bucks that I was probably losing before but by offering legal self copies for a small fee has at least helped, where as who knows how many copies were being done behind my back in the past. This option at least worked to some extent. The extra work to sign and keep a register is bugger all- and definelty worth he extra cash coming in. Anyway- I thought you might like to hear one suggestion that at first I laughed my ass off at in sceptisicm, but it actually has been an eye opener. Cheers- Bob Kennedy (Swampfox Photographic and Video). Signature: Bob K


astevens	Posted: May 08, 2005 - 19:40 Locks are make to keep honest men honest. They don't do a thing for thieves. The only ones you see committing crimes with firearms are criminals. As fast as Macro encryption protection is concieved, it is broken and marketed. Most all of the protection available can be bypassed by simply inserting a time base corrector to replace the synce between source and copy if you don't mind using y/c or analog. Other alternative would be predominatly display a "bug" or "logo" somewhere throughout the presentation. Sorry.... Signature: Andy Stevens Liquid & Edition Tips and Tricks My Hobby
dpdenver	Posted: May 07, 2005 - 20:57 *You have Macrovision I,II,III, CGMS and CSS. Do they all cost $$ to use ? Do you have to purchase a license ? Are some better than others ? Signature:* Dave Messinger Colorado Liquid User Group Website - with links to tutorials and other useful Liquid information - meets monthly
Sylvain P	Posted: May 07, 2005 - 20:52 Adobe Encore DVD 1.5 has a lot of content protect settings. You have Macrovision I,II,III, CGMS and CSS. Signature: Sylvain Primeau Self-employed worker. Trainer. Formerly television tech editor.
bjyow	Posted: May 07, 2005 - 08:35 And a U.S. appeals court just threw those rules out. Forbes Info Bill
dpdenver	Posted: May 07, 2005 - 07:21 Just saw this - don't quite understand it, but thought it was interesting to know about.... CyberLink Corp., a developer of integrated solutions for the digital home, has announced support for leading content protection formats for both DVD burning and playback. Beginning 1 July 2005, new +RW equipment and discs without VCPS capability will be unable to burn/playback digital TV content broadcast in the USA that is protected by the new content protection system know as Broadcast Flags. In Japan, a similar regulation already requires the encrypted recording of digital TV broadcast signals. CyberLink's implementation of the Video Content Protection System (VCPS) for the US and Europe, and Copy Protection for Recorded Media (CPRM) for Japan, represents a major commitment to protecting the rights of premium content owners, and essential compliance with the world-wide systems for legal video content copying and playback. For DVD burning, CyberLink enables authoring and copying according to the specific form of VCPS and CPRM set on each disc. For DVD playback, CyberLink PowerDVD ensures legal viewing of protected content; without this support, users would be unable to play their protected discs. http://www.gocyberlink.com Signature: Dave Messinger Colorado Liquid User Group Website - with links to tutorials and other useful Liquid information - meets monthly
DStone	Posted: May 03, 2005 - 10:35 In order to effect encryption you have to have an authoring burner (which is not the same as a standard burner) and use authoring media, or the disc needs to be pressed. You cannot enable encryption on a standard consumer-leve DVD burner. Note that even if you have an authoring burner you still have to pay a fee to Macrovision. For the Content Scrambling System this is $15K + $10K per year; there are no royalty fees. If you want to use an authoring burner there is also a very hefty fee (and license requirements) for the encryption code (and I don't believe that it's offered to individuals anyways; I think you have to be a corporation to get one). If all you want is Macrovision, this is simply turned on by setting a bit. The DVD player will then enable the Analog Copy Protection scheme that makes it difficult for a VCR to record the signal. You have to pay Macrovision a royalty fee for each disc produced. LE does not have a mechanism for setting the ACP bit. I think that Ulead's DVD authoring program might be the least expensive that does. In either case, don't bother. The DVD encryption scheme is broken, and while you legally can't download the software to decrypt a disc it's very easy for someone to acquire. Disabling Macrovision is even easier. Many DVD players don't even support Macrovision, and many more can be modified by firmware to disable Macrovision. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
ultan_mcdonagh	Posted: May 03, 2005 - 09:33 Ok Guys, after spending ages perfecting DVD menus and such, i was wondering if there is any piece of software that can prevent my DVD's being copied disk to disk. I know that it is easy to decrypt an encrypted DVD but it is just more of a deterent than anything.. I'm just so sick of people copying (which is a nice way of saying Pirating) the disks. any ideas?? U.

Hamstor	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 20:57 Link to Thread It is a unique approach to getting MV onto a DVD-R General media though, one I hadn't thought of. I wonder if it is technically possible to embed MV into a digital video signal, or only an analogue one. You'd have to know more about how MV and digital video encoding works to know. I do know that if you digitise an analogue stream with MV protection using a DV500, it essentially bypass's the MV and just digitises the origonal video, not the MV component. Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack
DStone Midi:	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 19:56 I think I have to reverse myself on this one. I was discussing this with a Ulead support rep. shortly after Workshop came out, but in looking over the thread nowhere does it say anything more than "enables Macrovision". I took this to mean that they were using the VHS analog approach. This may easily have been a bad assumption on my part. In doing a bit more research for this forum thread, I'm no longer certain of my original position at all, mostly because as Guy points out you'd have to pay royalty fees for that re-encoding with ACP turned on. If you turn on the Macrovision bits and send the master to an authoring house they do charge you for each disc made, so this tends to validate this as well. I have a question into Ulead asking for verification. My apologies if I got this wrong. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Hamstor Member T	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 17:10 Sorry Dave, but there is abosolutely nothing in there that indicates DVD Workshop is using an analogue encoding of MV into the video as it encodes. What is says is that DVD manufacturers don't have to pay royalties, which is in their interest as they collect the royalties from the media makers (with endocing for VHS and turning the flag on for DVD). If DVD Workshop was somehow recoding the video to embed the equivalent of VHS macrovision into the video, then they would have to pay huge royalties to MacroVision. Here is a simple test. Turn on macrovision for a DVD, and import an existing comformant MPG2 file. Does DVDWS recode it? If yes, then it may well be doing that, but if no, then it isn't doing squat. By the way, MacroVision ACP on DVDs does not muck around with the signal before encoding, the DVD player adds the macrovision protection to the analogue signal comming out of the player, hence why DVD manufacturers don't have to pay royalties, it gets MV into all players. Take Sonic Senarist, a Hollywood level DVD authoring program that creates the DLT master that is used bit by bit to create the silver. It in itself does not even have a MPG2 encoder in it, so it would be impossible to re-code to add MV (it has options for hardware encoders, but they don't have any MV addition either), it is added as a flag. Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack
DStone	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 08:43 I don't have DVD Workshop. I do know that it works. I'm incuding the FAQ from the Ulead site: # What kind of copy protection does DVD Workshop 2 support? * In the DVD industry, there are currently three forms of copy protection: • Content Scrambling System (CSS) • Copy Generation Management System (CGMS) • Macrovision's Analog Copy Protection system (ACP) DVD Workshop 2 supports two of these three forms, including: 1. Macrovision ACP: ACP is a proprietary protection system developed and patented by Macrovision. There are two elements: Automatic Gain Control (AGC) and Colorstripe™. Macrovision's ACP technology is embedded in virtually all DVD players, and is best known for making VCRs create grossly distorted copies. Macrovision's ACP technology must be licensed, but IC and DVD hardware manufacturers do not have to pay royalties. However, Macrovision does require that chips and DVD devices be tested for proper implementation of their technology. This ensures that all content owners are actually benefiting from the ACP copy protection. Please visit their website www.macrovision.com for more information. 2. CSS: CSS uses data encryption techniques to scramble video on DVD media, thus preventing playback on DVD devices that do not have decryption capabilities. To be authorized to decrypt CSS-protected content, hardware manufacturers must apply to the DVD Copy Control Association (DVD CCA) for a license and decryption key (refer to www.dvdcca.org for details). DVD Workshop 2 does not scramble the content, but only sets a flag in the DDP header. The DVD mastering company then reads the flag and requests the encryption data from the producer. The producer must apply separately for the encryption data. Relevant Websites: http://www.macrovision.com http://www.dvdcca.org http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html Macrovision ACP is the one that mucks around with the video signal before encoding it. CSS is the one that sets the bit in the header. Note that CSS requires either an authoring DVD burning or a DLT drive. Also note that the using CSS requires paying a per-disc royalty (USD $0.66 for runs under 500 discs). I believe you can also enable Macrovision ACP by setting a couple of bits in the DVD header. I can't remember if it's in the writable header or not. Note that Macrovision ACP doesn't really have any effect for digital copies on a PC. There's nothing to really prevent you from doing a block-by-block copy to a disk image, patching the image to remove the copy protection bit, and then writing the patched image out to a consumer level burner. This is the real difference between ACP and CSS. With CSS you can copy the disc but you can't write out the decryption key on a non-authoring burner. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
dpdenver	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 07:25 Dave - have you tried DVDWorkshop and verified that it really works as this is a real plus if it does. Signature: Dave Messinger Colorado Liquid User Group Website - with links to tutorials and other useful Liquid information - meets monthly
DStone Midi:	Posted: Nov 01, 2004 - 06:17 Guy, Sorry Dave, this is wrong and is this is the crux of what I have been saying all along. DVD-R/RW General and DVD+RW do not support enabling that flag, the media is simply not writable where it needs to be to do this, it was one of the primary design requirements of the standard. Sorry Guy, but you're missing my point. The encoders that support this (DVD Workshop) are physically altering the video signal as it gets encoded to MPEG-2. This has nothing at all to do with setting the copyright bit or other security bits in the DVD header. The alteration will work on any video source, DVD, VHS, DV, etc., and prevent you from copying that source to tape. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Hamstor	Posted: Oct 31, 2004 - 21:38 Quote: At any rate, the short of it is that some DVD authoring programs can turn on copy protection of one sort or another and it can be burnt to a DVD +/- R Sorry Dave, this is wrong and is this is the crux of what I have been saying all along. DVD-R/RW General and DVD+RW do not support enabling that flag, the media is simply not writable where it needs to be to do this, it was one of the primary design requirements of the standard. DVD-R for Authoring, which was around about 12 or more months before the A03 hit the market (first General DVD-R burner release) is only supported on the Pioneer S201 burner (which still cost many thousands of dollars but is discontinued now I believe) and specific DVD-R Aurthoring media (which still costs a lot as well). It is the only format that uses the cutting master format, required to write in the 'read in' area of the media "which has been specially reserved for mastering applications and is defined in the DVD-R 4.7GB (for authoring) book". Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack
DStone	Posted: Oct 31, 2004 - 18:13 Right. The analog-only scheme mucks around with the actual signal and that's what gets recorded. I don't believe that it's the exact same mechansim for corrupting the video signal (though it could be) as what happens when a DVD player sees the bit turned on. A big reason for the bit is for PCs; DVD burners and other recording software that adhere to the Macrovision license won't allow you to copy something where the bit is turned on. And regardless of the scheme, there are work-arounds. I have a DVD player that does not have Macrovision; I can record from it if I wanted. There are DVD rippers that can decode the encoded video stream and bypass the mechanism altogether. As I mentioned earlier, putting a TBC inline with the analog signal regenerates the corrupted portion. No matter what the corporations do, someone will come up with and publish a work-around. For most users it's not necessary though. Most people are honest and not out to reproduce copyrighted material for personal gain. But there are some, and the piracy is worth hundreds of millions of dollars per year, so I understand the rational. I don't like it, but I understand it. At any rate, the short of it is that some DVD authoring programs can turn on copy protection of one sort or another and it can be burnt to a DVD +/- R. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Hamstor M	Posted: Oct 31, 2004 - 16:50 Dave, Turning on Macrovision on a DVD does not effect the video on the disk at all. All it is, is a bit (flag) set on the disk, which the DVD player reads and if enabled, it adds the macrovision signal to the analogue signal when it plays it. That's why there are many DVD player hacks which can dissable Macrovision, they just make the player ignore the flag and never add the signal. My XBox has such a 'hack' once I modded it. Personally I think MV is more effective on VHS than DVD, with so many DVD decryptors out there that remove the MV flag as well... Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack
DStone	Posted: Oct 31, 2004 - 07:18 Guy, The analog copy protection scheme does not set the bit in the DVD header. It changes the actual video signal. This is why it also works on VHS tapes; the signal itself is altered in such a way that TVs aren't bothered by it but video recorders are. If you use a TBC or other regeneration techniques then you can effectively bypass this scheme, but it falls under the heading of "better than nothing". Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Hamstor	Posted: Oct 31, 2004 - 06:33 Sure they apps can do it, but your DVD burner/Media CAN'T. For Macrovision to be enabled on a DVD, a parameter must be set on the disk in a very specific place. This place on a DVD-R (General) media is NOT writable. Doesn't matter what features an Authoring application says it can do, it can't do it to DVD-R General which is what we all have. If you are creating a DVD image to DLT for pressing, or to Authoring media with an Authroing drive these applications should set the correct parameters and enable MV. The same stands for CSS. Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack
DStone	Posted: Oct 30, 2004 - 07:24 Macrovision has an analog copy protection scheme that can be used with any video source (this is how it's done for VHS tapes). This is what you get with DVD Workshop. Hope this helps. Signature: Dave S. Weinberg's Law If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.
Mack	Posted: Oct 30, 2004 - 07:14 Ulead's DVD Workshop claims to have copyprotection. DVD Workshop Key Features DVD Workshop Full Features PDF Anyone using this that can confirm???? Signature: Regards, Mack Los Angeles PLUG LA-PLUG LE 5.5, Le 6.0 Pro, AE6.5 Pro, Sonicfire Pro,C3D Studio Pro, PI3.0, C4D
Hamstor M	Posted: Oct 30, 2004 - 06:24 The only way to do this is either by paying macrovision licence fees and having your DVD pressed onto silver disks, or writing to a DVD Authoring DVD-R media using the Pioneer 201 Authroing drive. In either case, you can't author from within LE as it has no support for such features. Signature: Cheers Guy Liquid Edition 6 Pro + Productivity Pack